The Europe of a hundred flags (Klovs)
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Is there a lot of support for the Europe of a hundred flags concept in France? I think it’s what Identitarians support
K
This concept was created in France kek. By the New Right. The GRECE precisely.
It was a thing in the 1980s.
However now most french nationalists have either an anti-european vision (anti-EU) or a pro-european vision with a Westphalian view (so, protecting already existing nations)
The idea of having dozen and dozen of new nations (Basque, Bretagne, Cornwalles, Bavaria, Lombardy etc) is not really a thing now.
F
Especially since there is late stage cultural centralisation
Sadly
K
Yes basically.
Even inside France, a country who was known for it's large cultural diversity, a strong uniformization happened.
I guess it's the same everywhere. A man from London or Manchester is closer to a man of Brussels, Milan or Bordeaux than from a man from a rural town of Scotland.
Urbanization is uniformization. It kills cultural diversity.
And I highly doubt we should recreate a fake cultural heritage. Revivalist movements are larping. Either a tradition is living. Or it's not. But you can't just recreate something from scratch.
Our main mission before thinking of an Europe with 1000 nations should first be to protect existing identities who are not dead yet.
KL0V1S Gallia Daily, [14.04.20 02:10]
[In reply to 🇳🇱Peter Erlenbacher⚒]
This concept was created in France kek. By the New Right. The GRECE precisely.
It was a thing in the 1980s.
However now most french nationalists have either an anti-european vision (anti-EU) or a pro-european vision with a Westphalian view (so, protecting already existing nations)
The idea of having dozen and dozen of new nations (Basque, Bretagne, Cornwalles, Bavaria, Lombardy etc) is not really a thing now.
FRANCISCVS, [14.04.20 02:19]
Especially since there is late stage cultural centralisation
FRANCISCVS, [14.04.20 02:20]
Sadly
KL0V1S Gallia Daily, [14.04.20 02:28]
[In reply to FRANCISCVS]
Yes basically.
Even inside France, a country who was known for it's large cultural diversity, a strong uniformization happened.
I guess it's the same everywhere. A man from London or Manchester is closer to a man of Brussels, Milan or Bordeaux than from a man from a rural town of Scotland.
Urbanization is uniformization. It kills cultural diversity.
And I highly doubt we should recreate a fake cultural heritage. Revivalist movements are larping. Either a tradition is living. Or it's not. But you can't just recreate something from scratch.
Our main mission before thinking of an Europe with 1000 nations should first be to protect existing identities who are not dead yet.
FRANCISCVS, [14.04.20 02:34]
[In reply to KL0V1S Gallia Daily]
I certainly agree on the last point, I see this with religion. Before people could attempt to revive paganism they would have to focus on living traditions and reverse engineer something from that. We will see the reverse engineering of Christian traditions to return to their pagan roots for the people following that trend. Because abruptly following traditions lost to history thousands of years ago is not going to work out well.
However, the middle age cultures were literally LARPs. There is no shame, it just has to be done the right way, with feeling and establishing traditions over time. For example Germans called themselves latins and all of Europe has some trojan and Roman LARP to it. Ultimately culture is the expression of the being and so it is not bad to emulate your ancestors. Even Napoleon LARPed.
Imagine if what was invested in the death of culture was instead used for the revitalization of culture. Otherwise when culture is dead, the people will have to have something. Otherwise they remain identity-dead.
Europeans will simply LARP as themselves.
Is there a lot of support for the Europe of a hundred flags concept in France? I think it’s what Identitarians support
K
This concept was created in France kek. By the New Right. The GRECE precisely.
It was a thing in the 1980s.
However now most french nationalists have either an anti-european vision (anti-EU) or a pro-european vision with a Westphalian view (so, protecting already existing nations)
The idea of having dozen and dozen of new nations (Basque, Bretagne, Cornwalles, Bavaria, Lombardy etc) is not really a thing now.
F
Especially since there is late stage cultural centralisation
Sadly
K
Yes basically.
Even inside France, a country who was known for it's large cultural diversity, a strong uniformization happened.
I guess it's the same everywhere. A man from London or Manchester is closer to a man of Brussels, Milan or Bordeaux than from a man from a rural town of Scotland.
Urbanization is uniformization. It kills cultural diversity.
And I highly doubt we should recreate a fake cultural heritage. Revivalist movements are larping. Either a tradition is living. Or it's not. But you can't just recreate something from scratch.
Our main mission before thinking of an Europe with 1000 nations should first be to protect existing identities who are not dead yet.
KL0V1S Gallia Daily, [14.04.20 02:10]
[In reply to 🇳🇱Peter Erlenbacher⚒]
This concept was created in France kek. By the New Right. The GRECE precisely.
It was a thing in the 1980s.
However now most french nationalists have either an anti-european vision (anti-EU) or a pro-european vision with a Westphalian view (so, protecting already existing nations)
The idea of having dozen and dozen of new nations (Basque, Bretagne, Cornwalles, Bavaria, Lombardy etc) is not really a thing now.
FRANCISCVS, [14.04.20 02:19]
Especially since there is late stage cultural centralisation
FRANCISCVS, [14.04.20 02:20]
Sadly
KL0V1S Gallia Daily, [14.04.20 02:28]
[In reply to FRANCISCVS]
Yes basically.
Even inside France, a country who was known for it's large cultural diversity, a strong uniformization happened.
I guess it's the same everywhere. A man from London or Manchester is closer to a man of Brussels, Milan or Bordeaux than from a man from a rural town of Scotland.
Urbanization is uniformization. It kills cultural diversity.
And I highly doubt we should recreate a fake cultural heritage. Revivalist movements are larping. Either a tradition is living. Or it's not. But you can't just recreate something from scratch.
Our main mission before thinking of an Europe with 1000 nations should first be to protect existing identities who are not dead yet.
FRANCISCVS, [14.04.20 02:34]
[In reply to KL0V1S Gallia Daily]
I certainly agree on the last point, I see this with religion. Before people could attempt to revive paganism they would have to focus on living traditions and reverse engineer something from that. We will see the reverse engineering of Christian traditions to return to their pagan roots for the people following that trend. Because abruptly following traditions lost to history thousands of years ago is not going to work out well.
However, the middle age cultures were literally LARPs. There is no shame, it just has to be done the right way, with feeling and establishing traditions over time. For example Germans called themselves latins and all of Europe has some trojan and Roman LARP to it. Ultimately culture is the expression of the being and so it is not bad to emulate your ancestors. Even Napoleon LARPed.
Imagine if what was invested in the death of culture was instead used for the revitalization of culture. Otherwise when culture is dead, the people will have to have something. Otherwise they remain identity-dead.
Europeans will simply LARP as themselves.
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